Aug 21, 2017

Your claim of rampant sexual harassment causing women to leave the tech industry does not seem to hold merit.

https://cacm.acm.org/magazines/2008/2/5453-women-and-men-in-...

https://energy.gov/sites/prod/files/NSF_Stemming%20the%20Tid...

Aug 21, 2017

> No one is asking the tech industry to hire more women engineers than there are graduates

Factually wrong.

> horrible experiences

The plural of anecdote is not data.

Here is some data:

ACM survey: https://cacm.acm.org/magazines/2008/2/5453-women-and-men-in-...

Overall, women report slightly higher support from companies then men do.

Women Leaving Engineering: https://energy.gov/sites/prod/files/NSF_Stemming%20the%20Tid...

#1 reason: "Don't like the actual work". Also, a significant number leave engineering for management.

And of course the Ceci/Williams study showing a 2:1 hiring advantage for women for tenure track positions in STEM fields.

Aug 09, 2017

This is a wonderful personal story that gels very well with a large study on "Why Women Leave Engineering"

https://energy.gov/sites/prod/files/NSF_Stemming%20the%20Tid...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14952078

Aug 08, 2017

How did you miss the article that was on the frontpage today?

https://energy.gov/sites/prod/files/NSF_Stemming%20the%20Tid...

This is specifically about why women leave engineering, with a number of incidental measures about the egalitarian qualifications across gender (for the studied population).

Of course, next up is arguing about the epistemology of what "everyone" means, which is how you would have started if you weren't trolling. -1

Aug 07, 2017

This is actually one of the points made here:

https://energy.gov/sites/prod/files/NSF_Stemming%20the%20Tid...

"Still getting asked if I can handle being in a mostly male work environment in interviews in 2009 - I’ve been an engineer for 9 years, obviously I can. I know when I’m asked that question, I HAVE NO CHANCE AT THE JOB. It is nice they brought me in for equal opportunity survey points but don’t waste my time if you don’t take females seriously.”

The point is when you have a male dominated "bro"/"frat" culture, diversity programs are indeed just to meet labor standards - but they don't actually hold water. Which is why women end up leaving these places because people can't treat women like human beings. A diversity program becomes virtually useless if you can't keep people from leaving short of incentivizing them to deal with a company's toxic culture.